Goljk

Nov 04, 2009  Best Champ for pushing/taking turrets when PUGing. Comment below rating threshold. I have no intentions of becoming a lone wolf and not helping the team, but if I see that everyone is stacked in one lane and they are ok I want to push a lane and take a tower in another lane without needing another champs help. And can use his ult.

I played some matches with him and i think:
1,Turrets have too small range, even a caster minion can hit it without getting damaged
2,In lategame, Turrets getting oneshoted by anything, any aoe will kill all turret
3,Noth enough supply for turrets.
4,No defense+slow moving, getting oom easy
5,Ulty don't give enough utility.
1, Turrets have 525range. For early game, it's needed, but in late game, it's make turret's only useable to set traps, and alowing turrets getting killed wiouth taking any dmg from them.(For example: Heimerdinger set them in a team fight. Champs run away 200range = turrets getting out of range -> 2suply = no turret dmg/slow.)
Suggestion:
UPGRADE!!! should give passive +60/95/130Range to turrets, and an adional +60/90/130Range druing UPGRADE!!! active effect.
For a total range of 655.(785 with used ulty).
It's make UPGRADE!!! a perfect teamfight tool(turrets can do dmg more effective), and counter caster minions, also become more effective vs long ranged champs.
2, Making turrets harder to kill in early game will be wrong, but it's needed in late game.(In lategame a simple AA crit oneshot them, or any aoe)
Suggestion:
Give turrets a passive 30% aoe dmg reduction, and an adional +10% aoe dmg reduction for each level of UPGRADE!!! for a total of 60% aoe dmg reducion at l3ulty.
Maybe at rank4 Q, each turret's should garain 25%of Heimerdinger bonus health in adional to it's current benefit.
The aoe dmg reduction pervent's the enemy team from ignoring the turets. Actualy turrets only threat in early game. In late game, the enemy Champs simple ignore the turrets. It's because turrets have smaller hp than a single melee minion, so why would anyone care about it, when a single aoe onehit them?
3, Max 2charge for turrets. Combinated with 2, it makes that skill nearly useless lategame.(No turret=no turret dmg) Even with 40%cd reduction, it takes 15s to get a new charge, so after they getting destroyed you need to wait atleast 15s(assumling they getting destroyed instant after their placing), to place a single adional turret. In 15s Heimerdinger can die 2-3 times so it's a long time to wait.
Suggestion:
Rank 5 Q should give +1 to max Turret Stockpile stack.(There are still a limit of 2turret!)
Druing UPGRADE!!! active effect, ammo recharge time should cuted to half. (7,5s/charge with 40%cdred and used ulty.)
3charge because 2only enough to place the turrets. With 2ammo there are no 'emergency supply'. +-1Turret Stockpile can be the diference betwen death and life. And who goes to battle, wiouth spare ammo?
100%faster ammo recharge Druing UPGRADE!!! active effect, because No turret=no turret slow=half wasted ulty
Manna still limit Heimerdinger, so he can't spamplace turret's even with those suggestions.
5, Ulty should give utility.
Suggestion:
1, 2, 3,

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Droped idea:
3,
Suggestion:
UPGRADE!!! should give +1to max charge number/level for a total of 5 ammo at ulty level 3.
In lategame it's not a big threat to 1-2hit 5turret instead of 2, so it's maybe won't be op.

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Miscellaneous

Riot Rayven noted the scoreboard layout was reverted and gave some reasoning:

[1] 'Reverted the scoreboard layouts as well in 8.4'

[2] 'Discussed elsewhere in threads and patch notes. The tl;dr is that they were intended to be minor, readability focused changes.

We thought there were gains to be had emphasizing stats by giving them more breathing room and, in mirrored mode, grouping stats head to head. Secondarily, driving more awareness of champs missing by more closely associating that icon with champ portraits.

Orienting summs horizontally was also intended to improve readability and scannability (they are left to right everywhere else), but we really undervalued the 'down the line' way many of you use them currently.

So, well intentioned, but not worth the pain and confusion caused.'

Balance Changes

Darius
[Missed in an earlier update]

• Crippling Strike (W) AD ratio increased from 140% at all ranks to 140/145/150/155/160%

Renekton

• Cull the Meek (Q)
• Damage changed from 75/105/135/165/195 to 65/100/135/170/205
• VS Live: from 65/95/125/155/185 to 65/100/135/170/205
• Enhanced damage changed from 110/155/200/245/290 to 100/150/200/250/300
• Vs Live: from 95/140/185/230/275 to 100/150/200/250/300

Xin Zhao
[Missed in earlier update]

• Determination (Passive) bonus damage lowered from 20/40/60/80% at 1/6/11/16 to 15/25/35/45% at 1/6/11/16.

Frozen Mallet

• Ranged attack slow lowered from 30% to 20%

• Cost lowered from 1900 to 1800
• Combine cost lowered from 650 to 550
• Health lowered from 500 to 350

• Unique Active:
• Movement Speed lowered from 75% to 30%
• Spellbinder stacks now worth 0.3% movement speed
• AP increased from 50 to 100
• Spellbinder stacks now worth 1 AP

Perfect Timing (I2)

• Stopwatch transform time increased from 8 mins to 10 mins
• VS. Live: from 6 mins to 10 minutes

Context & Notes

1) Riot Maplenoted some reverts coming in this PBE cycle:

'We're reverting the damage to turret dmg multiplier for baroned siege minions for 8.4. There's a bug we fixed (BoC bonus ad wasn't being counted into the baron buff attack) which made that multiplier a little nutso. Will still be dealing more damage than live, but less crazy.'

2) Here's Riot August with the final changelist for Rengar before it ships to live next week:

'Final update, before shipping (2/14).

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It's past midnight, but I think all the major bugs are fixed. Please let them be fixed...

Here's notes on the ones you've all likely been noticing.

Fixed a bug where completing the Kha'zix quest would give rengar negative AD.

Fixed a bug where Rengar Sense (the sounds and screen overlay enemies get while he's nearby in R) wasn't staying on enemies. It would pop on and immediately pop off after a couple seconds.

Rengar can now stack bonetooth to 5 on Twisted Treeline. After killing his 3rd unique champ, the hunt list will be purged and he can nab stacks 4 and 5 by getting 2 more kills on different champions.

Thoughts:

No more bug-bugs. Thanks Kha'zix

Rengar sense propagates to all enemies nearby (within 1200 range) of your closest target (the guy with the eyes over them). How to know who can sense you? If no one has eyes then NO ONE can sense you. If someone has eyes, they and all their nearby allies can sense you. That's at least how it should work. Hopefully I'm not surprised with more ult bugs.

Some peeps were mentioning bonetooth can't stack in Twisted Treeline. Agreed. Now he can get 5 stacks on that map. For stacks 1-3 kill all 3 champs like normal. After this point your hit list will be reset. Kill 2 additional unique champs for stacks 4 and 5.

Thank you all SO MUCH for the continuous streams of feedback. Appreciated. 12 hours to build lock. Home stretch.'

3) Here's Meddler's quick gameplay thoughts for February 14, including thoughts on Ahri,

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Quinn, and more:

'Hey all,

Usual Disclaimers

These posts will often contain talk about future work we're doing, or planning to do, that isn't yet guaranteed to ship. The nature of the work could change or, depending on what we discover, projects mentioned may get put delayed or even stopped. If you'd like to see a Tweet whenever a new one of these posts goes up: https://twitter.com/RiotMeddler

Ahri

Wanted to follow up on a couple of champs that have been asked about a lot recently who we haven't talked about for a while. First up is Ahri. We'll be reassessing AP champs in general after the 8.4 item changes go out, our current thoughts assuming nothing major changes with her though are:

• She's around the right spot in terms of power.
• She's somewhat unsatisfying. Some of that's that her W isn't the most engaging spell. We think the bigger issue though is that her effect on the game is too flat relative to how she's performing. An ahead Ahri often struggles to convert even a significant lead into a large enough advantage for her team (an issue some assassins have as well). A behind Ahri is safe enough to still do fairly well and not screw things up too much for her team. Her highs should arguably be higher and her lows lower.
• We're tentatively planning on looking at her somewhere in the 8.5-8.7 range. Beyond at least roughly power neutral and sharpening difference between good and poor performances we don't know what that's likely to look like yet. Things like reassessing the speed boost on Q would certainly be on the table, don't want to make any promises yet though.

Quinn

Second up, is Quinn. Our current thinking:

• Quinn's got a pretty strong thematic starting point (Demacian ranger/scout with trained bird).
• We've never delivered well on that, both from a thematic perspective or a gameplay perspective.
• A consistent issue with Quinn, regardless of which patch you consider, has been her dependence on lane bullying melee and bursting squishies. She lacks late game (team fight especially) ability to contribute, with some of the gameplay problems that plague some assassins (hard to close out games/make team contributions) and some of the problems some marksmen exhibit (anti melee laning pattern in particular).
• Player desire for her seems to be split between 'make her a more typical marksmen so she can bot lane' and 'keep her as a non bot laner'
• Her original ult was very stat checky, giving extra power (most applicable in 1v1s or small fights) without giving her ways to survive in larger fights that aren't just 'kill quickly'. For some players at least also some thematic failure (why am I turning into a bird?)
• Her current ult's generally pretty unsatisfying for many (all I get's out of combat movement?), also failing thematically for a lot of players too (my bird's just a taxi?)
• My personal belief is that any significant work on Quinn needs to include making her a more functional team fighter and in exchange wean her somewhat off her laning pattern that leaves opponents she's good against without much ability to respond. Not necessarily shift her to being a standard marksman, or even a good team fighter, but less skewed than at present. That's likely a larger task, I'm doubtful we get a meaningful improvement from smaller scope work though.
• We're certainly not opposed to doing some work on Quinn. Unlike Rengar or LeBlanc for example though we don't believe this is a case where the previous version was any better, so a reversion doesn't solve things. Not sure at present on likely timing of any work. Apologies for such an open ended 'it's needed, but don't know when', don't want to make even a vague implied promise that might not be delivered on here though. I'd imagine for players interested in Quinn that likely feels poor, especially given just talked above about looking at Ahri who's already in a better state. The size of work involved is much larger though, so I'm not confident making any predictions until we’ve both put aside time for such work and know what at least the rough direction looks like.

Action in Pro Play

One of the things we're putting some focus on right now, both for 8.4 and 8.5, is the lack of action in pro games. In regular games we've seen bloodiness stay high post pre-season, with game times a little shorter as well until we buffed early tower defenses. Pro by contrast has trended (some exceptions) towards pretty slow, safe games, with teams either having difficulty closing out or being hesitant about taking the risks needed to do so. Having some pro games like that's fine of course, when it's common though would argue it's a much less enjoyable experience as a spectator.

In 8.4 (some of these are late additions to the patch):

• Likely removing Tracker's Knife from the jungle items. It's become increasingly dominant as a jungle choice in pro play specifically, with the extra vision making jungler position especially more predictable.
• Increasing the power of Epic monster buffs so that you really want to contest them if possible. Baron buff at present only scales in power from 20-27 minutes, we'll be changing it to scale all the way up to around 50 minutes, making it much more meaningful later game. Also doing a few other tweaks to it at the same time (making Baron empowered cannon minions more meaningful damage wise, shifting to a more appropriate AD/AP ratio rather than favoring AD etc).
• Elder Dragon isn't changing on the first spawn. Subsequent takes though will now get significantly empowered by previous Elder dragon kills. Taking two Elder Dragons in a row will offer substantial extra power for that extended objective control (also shortening the respawn timer a bit to make that a bit more feasible).
• Delaying the time Stopwatch becomes available to use further, most likely to 8 minutes, from the current 6. That gives a window where champs generally have their ults but Stopwatches haven't come online yet. We think Stopwatch is likely getting blame for slow play in a lot of cases where there are other issues as well or instead. It's certainly contributing though still, even with recent changes, and it's the sort of effect that should be much less common to avoid warping games too much.

Some things for post 8.4:

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• Looking at early game sustain, and which sources may be out of line still making it hard to have damage stick (Relic Shield and Runes likely starting points)
• Looking at Zombie Ward, and amount of vision it's adding
• Looking at TP, and chilling effect it has on the game in many cases, both in pro and regular play. Things like how it makes it harder to fight and meaningfully win in top lane, increases risk of aggressive play in bot (don't so you don't get TP flanked), leads to periods of 'wait until TP is up before trying anything late game etc.'

Check out [THIS PAGE] for a comprehensive list of the new content & changes currently on the PBE as a part of this cycle

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or catch up with the individual update links below !